Welcome SteveGilbert TLTG The TLT Group is pleased to have you join us today. [Steve Ehrmann] I don't think so [Jackie Onyia] LOL [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] kurtz@tltgroup.org [SteveGilbert TLTG] [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] ehrmann@tltgroup.org [SteveGilbert TLTG] Except if your technical problems have to do with your local power or heating supply! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Rumor's of Steve Ehrmann's presence at the World HQ of TLTG are exaggerated today! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Should we get a picture of a non-money tree? [Lisa Star TLTG] This is the last slide for the intro! [Sam Eneman] Karen, way too loud... [Jackie Onyia] Karen I was born and raised in Phoenix [Lisa Star TLTG] Steve G - you have sync browsing now [Karen Schwalm GCC] Hi, Jackie! [Drew Smith USF] still a little loud [Drew Smith USF] that's good [Susan Ariew] yes [SteveGilbert TLTG] much better [Diana Quinn] yes [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] better [Lisa Star TLTG] yes [Steve Ehrmann] ok [Curt Whittaker EOU] Groovy [Diana Quinn] slides on [Steve Ehrmann] The light bulb dawns [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] yes [Karen Schwalm GCC] We have pictures! [Curt Whittaker EOU] Looking good [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] old picture - emma is 5 and henry is 2.5 [Susan Ariew] We're good [Jackie Onyia] I will [Curt Whittaker EOU] I'm new and trying to see how to use mic [Drew Smith USF] fine [Lisa Star TLTG] good [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] sounds good [Diana Quinn] lots of echo [Karen Schwalm GCC] Great! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Ethereal!!! [Susan Ariew] lol [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] angelis [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] angelic [Drew Smith USF] there's some hum, tho [Susan Ariew] a bit but we can hear you [Steve Ehrmann] we can hear you kadriye [Drew Smith USF] we can hear you, but there's some hum too [SteveGilbert TLTG] we can understand, but significant hum [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] we can hear you but there's a hum. should be fine [Curt Whittaker EOU] Any tips on doing this on a Mac? [Curt Whittaker EOU] Mic, that is [Susan Ariew] just try out the mic curt [Drew Smith USF] it's about the same, but it will be fine for this [Steve Ehrmann] we can hear you so you can release the mike [Sam Eneman] maybe it's the microphone connector [Susan Ariew] Every now and then you're breaking up, Steve [Susan Ariew] only occasionally [Curt Whittaker EOU] If I hold down Control or Command key, nothing happens [Susan Ariew] try the microphone key curt [Drew Smith USF] Curt, what if you click on the mike icon [Susan Ariew] yes! [Sam Eneman] curt, try the option key [Susan Ariew] oh nooo [Drew Smith USF] it sounds like you're way too slow [Lisa Star TLTG] not good! [Jackie Onyia] ROFL [Susan Ariew] LOL [Karen Schwalm GCC] We'll call him Max (from Max Headroom!) [Drew Smith USF] Curt needs coffee [Drew Smith USF] lots of coffee [Susan Ariew] sounds like the Monster from the Deep [Steve Ehrmann] We couldn't understand what Curt was saying, but it was funny to listen to. [Curt Whittaker EOU] We couldn't understand what Curt was saying, but it was funny to listen to. - That's just what my kids say! [Susan Ariew] LOL [Jackie Onyia] you sre still breaking up. [Diana Quinn] Steve's sound is fine for em [Susan Ariew] you can use online to reinforce F2F [Jackie Onyia] Susan, I agree with you. [Jackie Onyia] can I save the slide? [Jackie Onyia] Ok [Jackie Onyia] That would be great. [Jackie Onyia] I would pick blend because it depends on the learning styles of the class that I am offering. [Jackie Onyia] of the students [Karen Schwalm GCC] Colleagues aren't as comfortable with this as I am, but if they could have just one successful experience, I think they'd like it! [Lisa Star TLTG] Also - it depends on the instructor - for both taking courses and also for prof development. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Jackie: do analysis of students' learning styles FIRST, then decide which media/modes [Curt Whittaker EOU] My experience has been that faculty will participate if they get out of their office or it's one-on-one. Self-paced, they never seem to find the time. I follow up F2F with online supplements. [Donna Farren BOCES2] I like facilitating online courses better because the pace is more controlled. In F2F you always seem to deal with late arrivers, interrupters and tangents - online the student can control their learning pace and I can teach to their pace [Karen Schwalm GCC] I think you only get one shot at an online activity, so it has to be short and great! [SteveGilbert TLTG] SusanA: Prof. Fac. Dev optioins NOT required of faculty; voluntary participation leads to 50% show/noshow [Diana Quinn] I agree with Sue [SteveGilbert TLTG] SusanA: How track partciipation? [Rita Pearson] So what do we do with the no show to improve attendance? [Susan Ariew] You offer new opportunities in new formats [Rita Pearson] Is online attendence better? [Susan Ariew] That's something Steve might know the answer to [Lisa Star TLTG] Rita - do you mean for professional development sessions? [Cindy Russell UTHSC] There's also a difference in doing development/courses synchronously vs asynchronously. In asynchronous formats faculty can show up "later" and "just in time" ... more challenging to prepare (as Steve pointed out in doing his 5 minute slide presentation). [Susan Ariew] Interesting point! [Rita Pearson] Or any type of skill improvement, technology or professional development [Donna Farren BOCES2] One thing I have noticed is that people assume online = easier and less participation and that is not the case. So I often have more people enrolled online and less finishing. [SteveGilbert TLTG] sound good [Susan Ariew] Time! [Susan Ariew] everyone's pressed for time [Cindy Russell UTHSC] Great point Donna ... and one that makes me start to rethink what a "session" or "course" is and what "finishing" means ... maybe multiple finish lines? [Rita Pearson] incentive? [Jackie Onyia] Donna this is true. Most online classes I take have been harder and I find that I spend more time on them. [Susan Ariew] it also can just be about marketing and communication about what you're offering [Curt Whittaker EOU] Everyone is stretched thin, and you really have to sell the "what's in it for me" - WIFM in marketing terms. (Apparently I can type faster than I can talk.) [SteveGilbert TLTG] TLTG online activities find much higher % of those who register do NOT "show up" if they do NOT pay a fee... no surprise; big surprise is 10-30% who do not show when they DO pay! [Jackie Onyia] ditto curt [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] We have actually had some faculty do a "pre-test"to determine readyness to participate in the online environ. [Susan Ariew] interesting statistic, steve [Rita Pearson] Are you charging and if so how much? [Rita Pearson] Thanks [Diana Quinn] 3 weeks! [Diana Quinn] yes [Karen Schwalm GCC] Yes [SteveGilbert TLTG] [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] 3 one-hour sessions across 3 weeks [Susan Ariew] yes!! [Rita Pearson] Yep [Kristin Sullivan Dearborn MI] yes [Lisa Star TLTG] yes [Jackie Onyia] Those pre-test can also be done anonomously (spell check) LOL [Kadriye Lewis CCHMC OH] yes [Susan Ariew] you sound good bill [Steve Ehrmann] we hear you bill [Jackie Onyia] I say students a lot also when I mean faculty. [Jackie Onyia] I will alway be a teacher. [hibbarduni.edu] We've just acquired a classroom capture system which we are going to experiment with for faculty workshops, allowing the same content f2f or online, synchronous or asynchronous. [Rita Pearson] what is the classroom capture system called? [Susan Ariew] I love the picture!! [Susan Ariew] can I steal that?? [hibbarduni.edu] The brand is Accordent [Susan Ariew] it's great! [hibbarduni.edu] Appresso makes a unit also [SteveGilbert TLTG] Overloaditorium [Susan Ariew] lol [Susan Ariew] nice word [Curt Whittaker EOU] When we were rolling out new technologies, I videotaped a f2f workshop, then edited it down a bit, and made it available as DVD. very popular. [Susan Ariew] perhaps a self-assessment to capture interest [SteveGilbert TLTG] Bill: Online readiness quiz... to which studenst were directed for self-assessment PRIOR to fully online courses! [Rita Pearson] did you develope the online quiz or did you pruchase it? [Jackie Onyia] We do a pre-test that is the same as the post-test before a class begins (online). [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] yes very generic! [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] Especially if the workshopp is onnger than one session and requires outside work! [SteveGilbert TLTG] I think there are several self-assessments avail online aimed at helping students determine if they're read for online courses of certain kinds [SteveGilbert TLTG] Susan: Include self-assessment option along with info about the workshop or course [Diana Quinn] I often advertise my session with a few questions. like Do you get frustrated trying to find things? etc [SteveGilbert TLTG] Rita: how online questions were developed by Bill's org. [Susan Ariew] Not all people know how to develop good self-assessments [Steve Ehrmann] Curt I've seen some videos of f2f workshops that were pretty bad: hard to get engaged the way that people who were f2f did. Sound problems, too, sometimes, especially in hearing the 'audience.' Was there anything specific about that workshop that made the tape so valuable? [SteveGilbert TLTG] Bill - researched at other insts with many online courses [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] our assessment was html based with several simple questions...It was a prerequisite to takeing the course...results were given right to the individual faculty member [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] Why re-invent the wheel [Susan Ariew] Bill any outstanding recommendations? [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] I am not sure if the assessment is still avaialbe....I will look quickly and see [Susan Ariew] okay thanks! [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] will do... [Steve Ehrmann] could we talk for a moment about wht education would be like if it were all online? [Susan Boyd SCU] Thank you...have to leave now...sorry no mic,but great technology and program for learning experiences. [Diana Quinn] A workshop for potential online students [Diana Quinn] http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/learn/LearnOnline/?PATH=/Resources/Workshop-ready4online/Learning+Online/&default=Welcome.htm [Susan Ariew] The question becomes how good or bad was the online stuff? [Curt Whittaker EOU] Steve Ehrmann: Held workshop in our "video" classroom (IPTV) with good audio and video equipmment, including mikes for participants. Editing out chatter helped. [Steve Ehrmann] For example, if it were all online (traditionally) 'your' students might be all over your time zone, or even all over the world. [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] We are actually looking at this for Short term in the event of a "pandemic" [Lisa Star TLTG] I think you have to also visual education online using technologies to a greater extent to how we do today. web 2.0 or intelligent software [Susan Ariew] wow [Susan Ariew] People participate differently online than F2F [Susan Ariew] they communicate differently too [SteveGilbert TLTG] SteveE: What kind of online? INclude some anonymous interaction; include some interaction via text; participation from very different geographic areas; some have previous connections with each other but not have met F2F; "guest lecturers" [Donna Farren BOCES2] I like the idea of this question - especially because so often it is the other way around - trying to prove the value of online... [Jackie Onyia] What I like about online accessibility. Training/classes when I need them on my schedule. [SteveGilbert TLTG] I like SteveE's suggestion... we might want to amplify this question by asking participants in the future to respond NOT ONLY to what they would/wouldn't add F2F BUT ALSO explain their own notion of "all higher ed conducted online" [SteveGilbert TLTG] So, this Thoguht Experiment is quite a bit like a Rorshcalk (sp?) test? [SteveGilbert TLTG] Each of us projects soem of our own hopes, fears, expectations on to the excercise? [Lisa Star TLTG] Rorschach - you were close [Susan Ariew] I agree that attention does wander and multitasking is a temptation [Lisa Star TLTG] Rorschach - developed the inkblot test [Susan Ariew] Would you want your doctors trained only online? [Susan Ariew] What about engineer who build bridges or design airplanes? [Diana Quinn] attention wanders in face to face as well [Susan Ariew] LOL [Curt Whittaker EOU] I once had an instructor ask: "If I put my course online, why would someone want to come to the class sessions?" I could only answer: "You tell me. IS there a reason for people to come?" Some components work well in online. When you are together, make it worthwhile! [Susan Ariew] you bet [SteveGilbert TLTG] CindyR: Healthcare professionals learn (a lot) of their key info from wordking directly with other people; [Susan Ariew] wow [Susan Ariew] gamer surgeons [Susan Ariew] we can start asking our surgeons if they're gamers or not [SteveGilbert TLTG] Cindy; videogames being used successfuly to teach surgeons to do lapiroscopic surgery [Donna Farren BOCES2] great points Cindy! [Rita Pearson] Simulations allow students to do tasks that would otherwise be imporssible or dangerous [Diana Quinn] agree with Drew - work out the objective first. [SteveGilbert TLTG] DrewS: The issue ... as we have MORE need and opportunity for HYBRID/BLENDED education and faculty dev, how shouold we structure the F2F components? the online components? [Susan Ariew] true..more and more games and simulations are where we're going in the virtual [Donna Farren BOCES2] But is it the content or the learner we are focused on? [Susan Ariew] it's all about finding the right balance [SteveGilbert TLTG] So... "it all depends" ... BUT arent' there ANY guidelines? esp. for those (most) of us just beginning to try to take advantage of these combinatoins? [Drew Smith USF] are there any guidelines for when to use a blackboard? [Karen Schwalm GCC] Twelve years ago, I did a project about "What's Class time Good For?" I just found it again here: http://staff.gc.maricopa.edu/~kschwalm/ccguide/ It dealt with this exact topic. [Susan Ariew] A lot of diagnostics deal with touching patients..so dealing with what part of the senses we need to do certain things, that would come into play [Donna Farren BOCES2] Shouldn't we be thinking about what is best for the learner - not for the content? [Steve Ehrmann] F2f is better for resolving ambiguity, I think, if the group is quite small, people can see one another's faces, and theree is really conversation all round. [Jackie Onyia] I agree Donna. It has to be what is best for the learner. [Drew Smith USF] It's ok to say "it all depends" if you think about what it depends upon. [Curt Whittaker EOU] I generally recommend that you move individual work (eg. exams) to online. Make specific reasons to do in class what best benefits from being together. That said, some people discuss better online (taking their time) than in person; others are opposite. [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] found the link to the old evelauation for online readiness: http://www.lemoyne.edu/academics/online_learning/self_assessment.htm [Steve Ehrmann] f2f is good for coaching where seeing the novice's body is important, live (not just on videotape) [Jackie Onyia] I can't keep up. [Susan Ariew] I'm copying and pasting like mad [Susan Ariew] Thanks bill! [Susan Ariew] I'm just getting the links [Drew Smith USF] It depends upon the course objectives, the learners situation, the learners learning styles, the availability of technology, the comfort level of the instructor. [Sam Eneman] alt-z to save text chat to a file [Steve Ehrmann] Interesting: to what extent is the choice of f2f v. online v. static content (books, web pages) VERSUS making the choice by the characteristics of the people involved. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Karen: "What's class time good for?" [SteveGilbert TLTG] Bill: Online readiness... [Lisa Star TLTG] To 'capture' a copy of the chat room - use the menu at the top and on the drop down menu - and choose the . Or also + Z this will save the chat from when you logged in. [Diana Quinn] thanks Susan [Lisa Star TLTG] nice job! [Steve Ehrmann] With regard to the people involved, important characteristics include their location, their schedules, their access to technologies involved, and their comfort with those technologies. And their dis/abilities. [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] I disagree. I think there are many more opportunities for resolving ambiguity in an online environment. [Susan Ariew] Interesting, Karen [hibbarduni.edu] lost your audio [Steve Ehrmann] I'll hold out for f2f for resolving ambiguity, Karen, because of the bandwidth: facial expression, body language, ease of pointing to external references. Why do you think online is better? [Diana Quinn] lost Steve Welcome SteveGilbert TLTG The TLT Group is pleased to have you join us today. [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] F2F, students are often afraid to say they are confused, especially if they have to say it more than once. Not true online. [Sam Eneman] yes [Susan Ariew] yes [Diana Quinn] yes [Steve Ehrmann] You're back [Rita Pearson] Yes [hibbarduni.edu] yes [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] back again! [Jackie Onyia] yes [Susan Ariew] Karen, I just recently had an email disaster where I was misunderstood, so I'm thinking about dangers..;-) [Susan Ariew] not me Welcome SteveGilbert TLTG The TLT Group is pleased to have you join us today. [Susan Ariew] oh dear [Jackie Onyia] lost you again [Diana Quinn] better [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] Oh we've all had those, but we just don't know the ones we've had f2f. [Susan Ariew] I think libraries need to adopt a lot of your techniques [Diana Quinn] Now I understand what you mean by hybrid [Susan Ariew] yes!! [Steve Ehrmann] As a follow-on to this discussion, would it be interesting to compile our hypotheses about specific factors about a workshop and its participants that would lead one to use f2f or online modes. Such hypotheses might be if/then statements: if the goal is this, and the audience is that, then X is probably a better format than Y. Useful? Too complicated? [Lisa Star TLTG] If you could suggest one followup question or topic as a follow up for todays session what would you suggest? (can be related to the session or something that came out of the chat/discussion.) [Susan Ariew] complicated but very useful..perhaps if you offered a template for that kind of thinking, Steve, an example if you will [Diana Quinn] yes an examplewould be good [Susan Ariew] how to get faculty engaged [Curt Whittaker EOU] More time to do it all!! oh... your meant from you! [Susan Ariew] yes..we'd like to do that! [Susan Ariew] Perhaps some hybrid workshops for students [Susan Ariew] "how to" videos [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] Oh, info literacy would be a great example for this. [Susan Ariew] I want to break new ground with videos [Susan Ariew] and get student participation into the mix [Diana Quinn] Minute paper (Angelo and Cross) [Susan Ariew] have the STUDENTS do the videos for the students [Sam Eneman] ah, students teaching students [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] I was taking notes on how you started . . practice stuff, etc. [Donna Farren BOCES2] I still need more help getting staff to believe they need training/development. [Steve Ehrmann] Susan, here's a brief essay on genres of video for faculty development: http://www.tltgroup.org/ProFacDev/video-uses-for-profacdev.html [Susan Ariew] thanks Steve! [Susan Ariew] it's the only chocolate I can have right now [Susan Ariew] LOL [Susan Ariew] karen! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Karen: Poster session with class of students f2f; 5 minute sessions .. [Susan Ariew] I do too [Susan Ariew] ohhhhhh [Susan Ariew] yum [Rita Pearson] got milk? [Susan Ariew] lol [Curt Whittaker EOU] Noontime here - lunchtime! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Karen: conventional class doing poster sessions! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Karen: do same short sessions- with pairs of students! [Donna Farren BOCES2] That is really an interesting idea Karen - having students chunk their content as we are trying to do with PD in 5 minutes! [Susan Ariew] ha ha ha [Susan Ariew] I bet Steve hacked in [Donna Farren BOCES2] Thank-you! [Susan Ariew] you too!! [Susan Ariew] Thanks for a great discussion, Steve [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] It's wonderfully warm here in Phoienix. [Susan Ariew] All the Steves! [Rita Pearson] beautiful weather in california! [Diana Quinn] The rapid development of Web 2.0 means that people have trouble committing [Curt Whittaker EOU] Gracias, amigos! [Karen Schwalm Glendale CC AZ] Bye! [Donna Farren BOCES2] I really enjoyed the thought experiment concept. [Diana Quinn] It is 104 degrees F here today [Kadriye Lewis CCHMC OH] Thanks. [Susan Ariew] Excellent and thanks! [Kathy in Regina SK] Thank you! Enjoy the weekend! [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] Till snowing here in Syracuse! [Susan Ariew] wow [Lisa Star TLTG] Thanks to everyone!! [Steve Ehrmann] Diana, SteveG and I are in Maryland (about a mile apart) and it's probably 28 F here, and the ground is covered with ice and snow. [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] We have had about 3 feet of snow since Wednesday! [Curt Whittaker EOU] Spring came early to the mountains of Eastern Oregon - 55 degrees and sunny. [Susan Ariew] thanks again! bye for now [Sam Eneman] thank you! [Curt Whittaker EOU] Friendly bunch! [Rita Pearson] TTFN [Diana Quinn] -55! [Steve Ehrmann] bye bye [Jackie Onyia] bye [Cindy Russell UTHSC] bye everyone! [Diana Quinn] see you [Bill Thieke LeMoyne] good weekend!