Welcome Steve Gilbert TLT Group. Glad you can join us today. Hope you have a microphone and are in good voice! [Sue Espinoza] Lisa, still don't have a PPT button on here, either. :-( [SallyG] yeah! [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] i hear sue! [Sue Espinoza] Has anyone else tried doing this with a Mac, and maybe they might have some ideas on how to make it work? :-) [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] CHuck Ansorge is a Mac person [SallyG] Should this be a FridayLive? [Sue Espinoza] That happened on both Safari and Firefox. :-( [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] Hi Eli - you sound great! [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] Thanks for helping us with voice of the chat today [Sue Espinoza] Sounds good, Steve. :-) [Eli] Sounds great Steve [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Don't need that - just testing [John Munro UVI] USVirgin Islands [MadeleineKerrUMN] Yes I have one, not sure how to see if it's on though. [Sam UNC Charlotte] [Eli] [Eli] Hi I'm Eli and I'm the Dir of Instructional Technology at the Methodist College of Nursing in Peoria, IL. I'm a techie, not a nurse so my patients are my faculty! [SallyG] Sally Gilbert TLT Group Director of Administration Takoma Park Md World Headquarters! [Sam UNC Charlotte] Hi from Univ of North Carolina at Charlotte. I'm an Instructional Technology Consulant in our Faculty Center for Teaching & e-Learning. [Dan Mandell Saint Marys] Dan Mandell, Instructional Technology, Saint Mary's College - Notre Dame, IN [Cindy Russell UTHSC] Cindy Russell, University of Tennessee Health Science Center, Professor in the College of Nursing [Jane Harris UNC Greensboro] Hi - I am an instructional technology consultant at UNCG. [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] Welcome Diana! [Maura Univ. of MN] Maura - U of MN, Dual Degree Masters Program in the School of Nursing and Public Health. [Diana Quinn UniSA] Hi there! [Sue Espinoza] Hi from Commerce, Texas (northeast of Dallas). I'm at Texas A&M University-Commerce, teaching grad classes in Educational Technology and Higher Education research, coordinating the school librarian certification program, and supervising dissertations in Higher Education. :-) [Patricia Landy LCCC] I don't know how to make the number go away. [Eli] Actually, it's eeeeelii (like the guy's name) [Lisa Star TLT Group] star@tltgroup.org [Diana Quinn UniSA] Hi Patricia, press the mic button again [Eli] Patricia, click on the microphone icon again to release it. [SallyG] Eli is a TLT Group charter member! [MadeleineKerrUMN] Hi, Madeleine here, faculty from University of Minnesota, School of Nursing. [SallyG] So is Sue Espinoza! [Lisa Star TLT Group] just worried [Lisa Star TLT Group] [Maura Univ. of MN] Hi Madeleine! [Lisa Star TLT Group] Online support at http://www.tltgroup.org/tlt-swg/support.htm [MadeleineKerrUMN] Nice to CU here Maura. [Lisa Star TLT Group] star@tltgroup.org [Eli] got it, thanks. soryy [SallyG] I think size of the check shows emphasis [Sue Espinoza] Students feel they are too busy and don't have time? [Troy Challenger] Students are over booking themselves. Bad time management. [John Munro UVI] used to being spoonfed in too many courses [SallyG] some assignments are dumb [Sue Espinoza] Right, Troy!~!!!!!!! [MadeleineKerrUMN] Clear expectations in the syllabus, assignments. [Eli] faculty don't make them responsible [Maura Univ. of MN] I assign a point value to assignments, and they must be completed when I lecture on the material [Troy Challenger] Return on investment. Students put effort where they are being tested. [Patty] no credit [Cindy Russell UTHSC] some students don't see the meaning for it ; oten it's not followed up in the next class session [Diana Quinn] not confident in their writing [Bill J] If it doesn't count in the final grade, there's no incentive. Learning is not its own reward. [Patricia Landy LCCC] Students are really busy. They think they can work two jobs and take an overload all at the same time. [Troy Challenger] Some assignments take much more time than faculty realize. [John Munro UVI] green means "yes" they do not... [Sue Espinoza] We always plan to do the assignments, but then we get to work and... :-( [Patty] time [Eli] their expecations are that all of the work will be contained 'inside' the workshop time. [Troy Challenger] Bigger hammers are getting their attention. [John Munro UVI] high interest = high effort [Sue Espinoza] Sometimes we do not have access to everything that is needed in our own offices, and no time to go to lab or elsehwere. :-( [Cindy Russell UTHSC] a lot of the same reasons; faculty especially see no repercussions [Bill J] There's a lack of consequences to not completing the homework because it's not real work. [Patricia Landy LCCC] Time. No incentives and lack of support. [Sue Espinoza] Faculty often need "just in time" and often these are not. :-( [Bonnie Hunter] faculty torn: workshop extra time can take away from time spent with/on student stuff [Lisa Star TLT Group] I am loading them right now [Diana Quinn] Hi Sue! [Cindy Russell UTHSC] sound good [Lisa Star TLT Group] You sound great! [Bonnie Hunter] Good volume [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] sound & slides fine! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] 1994! First year of listserv that is now TLT-SWG! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE - Do the work without making them feel like they're doing "busy work" [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: Get vs. Encourage [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: How relate communication to what students DO? & their attitudes? [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: IREF: Interactions, Respect, Expecations, Feedback [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] What KINDS OF INTERACTIONS have been helpful in encouraging students to do assignments? [Patty] apply to a real life problem or situation [Eli] students interacting with the CMS (Blackboard, etc.) [Patricia Landy LCCC] I'm using Instant Messaging a lot. Seems to be working well. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Inviting some (all?) students to "present" publicly in next course meeting? [tom] small group interactions/projects/presentations [Maura Univ. of MN] I agree, groups work well and are less threatening to some students [tanu_umass] Yes thats bad calling students by their ids [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: CMS based on use of Student Ifno Service may use studnets' "official" names which may NOT be what the studetns prefer to be called! [Eli] We do a basic netiquette session in the first class with examples of how to format and use discussions and emails [Troy Challenger] But there is a big faculty time issue in monitoring/tracking/grading student participation in group work, or chat rooms. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: MODELS a lot of "netiquette" [SallyG] And from each other [Eli] instructors need to model the type and quality of postings and interactions for their students [Cindy Russell UTHSC] Eli - yes, how many times do faculty over-do or post the "atta-boy" and "atta-girl" comments that we ask students *not* to do b/c of the reading overload! [Maureen Greenbaum] I give the same or extra credit if they revise versus doing it 1st ...see my web site http://faculty.ucc.edu/business%2Dgreenbaum/ R. Buckminster Fuller said If I ran a school, I'd give the average grade to the ones who gave me all the right answers, for being good parrots. I'd give the top grades to those who made a lot of mistakes and told me about them, and then told me what they learned from them. [Cindy Russell UTHSC] Some of our faculty give audio feedback for some assignments - like nursing care plans - instead of "marking" them the faculty member narrates his feedback [Troy Challenger] Yes, breaking papers into smaller chunks of questions students are to answer helped our students to come closer to our expectations and made it quicker for us to review and respond to the work. [Lisa Star TLT Group] http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/espinoza/FridayLive/may14assignment.html [Lisa Star TLT Group] http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/espinoza/FridayLive/may14assignment.html [Lisa Star TLT Group] Each person needs to scrool [Troy Challenger] Yes, you can do audio feedback in MS Word and in Adobe Acrobat pdf's [Lisa Star TLT Group] scroll [Cindy Russell UTHSC] I have a tablet pc and students seem to like the written feedback that I do on it (vs the "track changes" or editing in Microsoft Word [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli and Diana - remarkable if I pronounce even one of the 2 correctly! [Lisa Star TLT Group] Email address for Sue - Sue_Espinoza@tamu-commerce.edu commerce.edu [Patricia Landy LCCC] I have a tablet pc also. I get rave reviews over graded papers. It's more like being in a ground class. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://faculty.ucc.edu/business-greenbaum/%20R.%20Buckminster%20F [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://faculty.ucc.edu/business-greenbaum [SallyG] "ground class" never heard that before [Sam UNC Charlotte] I see Maureen's Web site okay [Maureen Greenbaum] http://faculty.ucc.edu/business%2Dgreenbaum/ [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://faculty.ucc.edu/business-greenbaum/%20R.%20Buckminster%20Fuller [SallyG] nmot hearing you, Steve [SallyG] you're back [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://s111.ivocalize.net/store/66553835/ppt/c10e6d12/x1.swf [Maureen Greenbaum] http://faculty.ucc.edu/business-greenbaum/ [Sue Espinoza] Lisa -- there is an extra commerce.edu when you put in my e-mail address, but I assume everyone will realize :-) [Maureen Greenbaum] If I ran a school, I'd give the average grade to the ones who gave me all the right answers, for being good parrots. I'd give the top grades to those who made a lot of mistakes and told me about them, and then told me what they learned from them [Maureen Greenbaum] -- R. Buckminster Fuller [Cindy Russell UTHSC] http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P1610 Fujitsu P1610 - a tiny one (weighs about 2# or so) - but I like to take it to meetings and carry it around b/c it's not heavy even with extended life battery [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] hi diana. you sound great [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.tltgroup.org/swg_dashboard.htm [Anthony] Very soft [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.tltgroup.org/FridayLive/20070601OnlinePoster.htm [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/learn/learningconnection/?PATH=/Resources/pd-ot/In+a+nutshell/&default=Welcome.htm [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/learn/learningconnection/Theme.asp?PATH=/Resources/pd-ot/In+a+nutshell/&default=Welcome.htm [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/learn/learningconnection/TreeView.asp?PATH=%2FResources%2Fpd%2Dot%2FIn+a+nutshell%2F&DEFAULT=Welcome%2Ehtm [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/Resources/pd-ot/In%20a%20nutshell/Welcome.htm [Kristen CSC] I can't hear her and my volume is all the way up [Lisa Star TLT Group] It was soft - but I could hear [University of Tennessee HSC] we could not hear her [Sue Espinoza] Lisa, would you please show the URL of the page we are viewing? [Diana Quinn] Go ahead Steve [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/learn/learningconnection/?PATH=/Resources/pd-ot/In+a+nutshell/&default=Welcome.htm [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.tltgroup.org/FridayLive/20070601OnlinePoster.htm [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://www.tltgroup.org/FridayLive/20070601OnlinePoster.htm [Anthony] http://tinyurl.com/36tskc [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] http://breeze.unisa.edu.au/plagiarism [tom] thanks anthony.. great use of tinyurl [Bonnie Hunter] Wow, it works [Sue Espinoza] Great job, Diana. :-) [tanu_umass] that was very informative, Diana. thanks [Troy Challenger] Yes have less plagiarism and zero "buying of papers" when we give assignments that require students to include or integrate their family's histories or personal experiences and how they relate to the topic or theory being studied. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] A few people still listening? [Eli] Good information in a nutshell [Kristen CSC] Diana- Nice job! what software did you use to make this video? I LOVE your idea about having the students pick out the plagiarism. [Cindy Russell UTHSC] Great job, Diana! [Troy Challenger] Breeze presenter [Keren M-E] I like the idea of giving students a plagiarized pieces and asking them to fix it. [Troy Challenger] It is a plug-in for PowerPoint [Anthony] Yes, the find and correct the plagiarism task is a good one. [tom] great job, Diana! [Kristen CSC] She did a great job! [Troy Challenger] Also, note that you can pause the slides and click on hot links in them. [Cindy Russell UTHSC] I liked the idea of giving students a paper and having them find the plagiarism [Diana Quinn] all done [Patty] wikis - awesome! [Lisa Star TLT Group] Did anyone have trouble playing that clip? [Sue Espinoza] A colleague found that after using Turnitin one semester, the next semester there were no problems -- students had heard that they would get caught, I guess. :-) [Kristen CSC] No problems [Sue Espinoza] No problem, Lisa [Kristen CSC] Is Turnitin expensive? [Sue Espinoza] Kiristen, I think it is -- we have a university license. [Bill J] Very well produced. I use a similar approach in a science information literacy class where I give the students examples of lousy journalism and ask them to figure out what the actual science was and how they'd more accurately report it. [Anthony] students have raised questions about their content going into the TurnItIn DB. [Kristen CSC] Diana, do you have a freshman orientation? [Diana Quinn] I would ask what a freshman is? [Sue Espinoza] Anthony, I hear that there is an option in Turnitin, to not have papers submitted to the database. [Kristen CSC] freshman - first year [Steve Ehrmann TLT Group] Diana, lovely presentation. I notice that some attachments are publicly available while at least one of them requires a UniSA log-in. [Diana Quinn] yes [Diana Quinn] wikispaces [Anthony] Sue, I've heard that as well, but at some universities using TII, the faculty submit the papers as part of their "check" without student input. [Kristen CSC] is that when you "instruct" the students or is each faculty member responsible? [Anthony] Nicely done, though, Diana. Thank you. [Anthony] Diana, I like the suggestion that students submit their own turnitin report with the paper. [Sue Espinoza] Anthony, I tried to submit without database submission, but it's only available if a class has been created, so I may need to do that. :-( [Cindy Russell UTHSC] can they say no? [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] DianaQ: UNISA gets students to agree to having their work put in Tunitin [Sue Espinoza] I have a statement in my syllabus, that submissions may be put through turnitin. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] DianaQ: "speed camera" - random selection [Diana Quinn] no [Cindy Russell UTHSC] no [Eli] not yet [Bonnie Hunter] not seeing that webpage [University of Tennessee HSC] no [SallyG] http://www.tltgroup.org/FridayLive/closinglinks.htm [Sue Espinoza] Got it [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] yes [Lisa Star TLT Group] [Sue Espinoza] Got it [Sam UNC Charlotte] yes [University of Tennessee HSC] can you speak louder, please? [Lisa Star TLT Group] http://www.tltgroup.org/tlt-swg/FL!/FL!past.htm [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] yes, please send ideas! kurtz@tltgroup.org [Troy Challenger] We are exploring doing a speed camera approach on group participation...by "spot checking" a sampling of the semester weekly group work for each student and basing his/her overall participation points on that sampling. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Am i the only person in the world unfamiliar with "speed camera"? [Troy Challenger] Students won't know which weeks will be selected...so risk getting a low score if they are not consistent. We hope to have maximum leverage of faculty time. [Sam UNC Charlotte] thanks! great jobs! [Anthony] thanks everyone. [Eli] [Anthony] Good job! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: I'll get back to you in a few minutes with some of those quesitons! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: Has learned to skim things quickly! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: Busy schedules? Getting far behind? Have you been watching me? [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: "Expectations are the top!" [Sue Espinoza] Right, Diana, about plagiarism sometimes because of time. I've seen that. :-( [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] DianaQ: Enjoyed htese two presentations and sees parallel between 2 topics! Reasons for not doing homework similar to reason for plagiarizing@! [Troy Challenger] We find that students receiving automated computer feedback often find that as "high touch" as from the instructor...when the feedback is written in a humanistic way. [Rebecca Kurtz TLT Group] [Kristen CSC] I love the way you have set this up - please do more of these! [Kristen CSC] that would be great [maurie] Just now got connected! Ee Gads! [Sue Espinoza] A session on plagiarism and Turnitin and other approaches, and ethics and legality related-issues would be great!! [maurie] We use EVE at Regis --- for plagarism [Kristen CSC] also, do you all have problems getting students to attend class? If not, I would love to have a discussion on your successes [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] EVE much like Tunitin? [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Related question (new topic!) from Kristen CSC - getting (encouraging) students to attend class! [Kristen CSC] Okay, Steve make me look bad by not using the "correct" word - Teachers Pet! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] If we created this role in the United States we would, no doubt, soon have scandals about some AIO who had been found to be plagiarizing something! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] DianaQ: UNISA does NOT allow opting out of submission of papers to Turnitin - have cover sheet with EVERY paper ackwnoledging role of Turnitin [Kristen CSC] is that "coversheet" in your samples of presentation [Diana Quinn] no, but I could find a link ... [Kristen CSC] 3 things - maybe that could be a topic for a different Friday Live? [Troy Challenger] Some of our professors give a quick 3 minute quiz at the start of the class on materials they should have covered. Those who don't study or attend lose points. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Anyone finding these problems (student attendance, student doing assignments, student academic integirty) more difficult when students in a course are from many different cultural backgrounds? [Sue Espinoza] Instructors need to recognize the differences in various cultures, and we need to help all students understand our expectations -- it means working some extra with some students. :-) [Kristen CSC] I am new at a 2 year college (in a rural area in US) and I was surprised about the lack of attendance and I guess worse this past semester than ever before. We don't have a lot of different cultures here so that doesn't seem to be issue. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli: New (to me) issue about having too many "type A" personalities within one student subgroup! [Diana Quinn] Examples of cover sheets - they are on each of our course home pages, under Learning resources. [Diana Quinn] e.g. http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/courses/course.asp?Course=100364 [Kristen CSC] thanks Diana [Sue Espinoza] No, Steve -- not respond to EVERYTHING -- it depends on student -- respond to everyone at some point [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: Determines how frequently and in what way she responds to students depending on her judgment of the learning/personal needs of each indivdiual student! [Troy Challenger] Also, outside services that help students with writing their papers, or providing tutoring in how to use MS Word, etc., takes a lot of the workload of faculty. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: some responses to studetns can be EXTREMELY brief [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] That's ok! [Maureen Greenbaum] I want to give cronstructive critism on the board so I don't give it over and over - It is really like a leecture - this is what you do this is what you don't but how do you keep them motivated etc with negative stuff? [Troy Challenger] And many teachers do not have skills in handling the "paperwork" above a certain number of students. [Eli] rubrics can also help teachers manage larger groups [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Diana - give some guidance and course credit for studetns giving feedback to each other [Troy Challenger] They do not know how to automate their work flow, or use tools such as spreadsheets to manage student tracking. [Troy Challenger] Yes, some of our faculty give an overview response to the class...rather than responding individually. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] not hearing [John Munro UVI] ??? [John Munro UVI] no audio [Troy Challenger] They highlight specific examples of student work that is on target, and they cover areas of misconception. [Sue Espinoza] No sound yet. :-( [Diana Quinn] no [Maureen Greenbaum] no good huh [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] great [Eli] great [John Munro UVI] fine [Sue Espinoza] Great [Diana Quinn] lovely [Kristen CSC] great [Kristen CSC] no it is [Sue Espinoza] Yes, it is [Troy Challenger] mike not working [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] working well now! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] TroyC: faculty often give feedback to full group - posting in some gnerallly visible area - pointing out some good accomplsihments of some studetns [Troy Challenger] Thanks...got to run. [Kristen CSC] Thanks Troy [Maureen Greenbaum] sam levison said we have to learn from the miskes of others we don't have time to ame them all ourselfs ...negative (constuctive) critism i a pblic mode?? [Sue Espinoza] Steve, it may be a course they are taking only because it's required, and they do not see the relevance. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] SueE: esepcially in online classes - even 1 student not doing the work or unhappy AND who is vocal, can ruin morale of entire class - requires and merits extra attention to get that person out of that mode [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli: in online courses (and others!) the "loudest" voice in the course can be too strong an influence - esp. of negative! Try to manage the atmosphere, the expectations, the way of entering the class. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli: Always a mix of students - ranging from overachievers to "gliders" - key is giving students very realistic expectations; give rubrics [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli: give quantity and quality in discussion rubrics [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli: "no such thing as a lurker"!!!! [Sue Espinoza] In these FridayLive sessions, some folks may be "attending" while in the midst of faculty activities (advising, etc.) -- they may be "listening" - and if they couldn't do it this way they couldn't do it at all. [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Eli: Ok in THIS to have lurkers! [Diana Quinn] Confidence in skills is common to all three. Students often plagiarise as they don't feel good enough, they don't do homework, as they think they won't go great, and they don't speak in i-vocalise as they are not confident of their skills. So non-participants and often low confidence. That is why forcing to participate and providing early feedback and encouragement will get more contributers and a richer learning environment as more people use deep approaches to their learning. [Jane Harris UNC Greensboro] Thanks all. [Maura Univ. of MN] Thank you very much for an informative and helpful session! [Diana Quinn] Thanks - winter for me.. [Eli] Thanks everyone! [Eli] Maybe one poster per session would be better [Eli] yikes! [Jane Harris UNC Greensboro] I like having two... [Patricia Landy LCCC] Thanks. Very informative and fun. [Eli] thanks! [MadeleineKerrUMN] I liked having 2. Thanks everyone. [Diana Quinn] Thanks for the opportunity to participate - cheers [Lisa Star TLT Group] Thanks everyone [Sue Espinoza] Bye y'all.. :-) [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] Special Thanks to Diana, Sue, Eli!!!!! [Steve Gilbert TLT Group] And Lisa, Rebecca, Sally, [Steve Gilbert TLT Group]