an have the seat [Gerry Porter MUN] I can hear, thanks. [Gerry Porter MUN] I'll fetch the mike. [Tanu] Hello Joanna, I can hear you. [Tom Smyth USCA] Hi Joanna, USCA is University of South Carolina Aiken [Lisa Star] not hearing you [Cosby Rogers] OK, I was checking to see if I have a build-in mike. [Tom Smyth USCA] That's my normal voice... [Tom Smyth USCA] [Tom Smyth USCA] OK I'll see if I can improve things here. [Bill Smith FKCC] Yes, I hear u clearly! [duffy] Can hear u fine. How do we send audio? [Lisa Star] hear you fine [rex heer - iowa state] sounds good [Lisa Star] yup! [rex heer - iowa state] cool [rex heer - iowa state] ok - yup [rex heer - iowa state] it's a mac [Lesya ISU] I can hear you very well, thank you [Rey Junco] Hi Joanna! [Lisa Star TLTG] Sounds Great! [Neal Cross SBU] I hear you [Texas Womans University] I can hear you fine . [Rey Junco] Audio is working well [Cindy Yates ACC] Hi, audio sounds great [Rey Junco] It's just as well that I don't have a mic [Texas Womans University] However, no mic . [Rebecca Kurtz] joanna - can do a test load of my slides? real quick? [Bill Smith FKCC] I had to unplug my phones for a sec. Upon returning, I hear nothing. Are u speaking now? [Lisa Star] i am speaking [Rey Junco] Maybe we should move to an island on Second life? [Lisa Star TLTG] We have talked about that Rey! [Drew Smith] We'll miss you, Joanna! ::very sad look:: [Bill Smith FKCC] Tx, Joanna. I may need to relog! [Lisa Star] maybe [Rebecca Kurtz] can you see them? [Tom Smyth USCA] yes [Rebecca Kurtz] great! [Rebecca Kurtz] how do i get rid of them :-) [Rebecca Kurtz] [Rob Kelly] I hear you loud and clear. [Texas Womans University] Do we use the Whiteboard system to point out things when we have questions? [Lisa Star] joe - you saying anything? [Drew Smith] Joe, we're not hearing you yet [Lisa Star] i cannot hear you [Ilene Frank USF] Joe, I couldn't hear you. [Drew Smith] yeah, me too [Ilene Frank USF] TWU, no, you won't have to use the whiteboard to ask questions. [Dra - Mali] hello everyone [Ilene Frank USF] You'll be able to type questions in the chat box [Lisa Star] Hi Bill! [Drew Smith] Bill, sounds good [Lisa Star] hear you well [Rey Junco] I heard it... I want a job in Key West [Cindy Yates ACC] sounds good [Ilene Frank USF] Yes! Sounds good! [Bill Smith FKCC] Tx! [Lisa Star] dan - you're on [Lisa Star] hi Dan! [Drew Smith] Yup [Lisa Star] I hear you well [Bill Smith FKCC] yes [Rey Junco] yes [Drew Smith] you are indeed [Ilene Frank USF] Ok! [Cindy Yates ACC] sounds good [Lisa Star] hi Rebecca! [Bill Smith FKCC] sound fine [Rey Junco] Yes you do... Pittsburgh! [Texas Womans University] Going to go look for mic, I fee left out . [Ilene Frank USF] There will be lots of people who don't have mics. [Bill Smith FKCC] clear [Rey Junco] Perfect [Ilene Frank USF] Good! [Drew Smith] that's better [Lisa Star] hey joe! [Ilene Frank USF] Yes, that's ok Joe [Bill Smith FKCC] clear [Drew Smith] oh good [Amanda] Hi! [Monica Lopez] Audio works great... [Ida Brown-Fla Comm College] Hello [Monica Lopez] Hi [JaniceH OWC] Hi! [Rey Junco] Wow lots of folks from Florida... hi [Monica Lopez] Not really... don't have a mic [Bill Smith FKCC] hi Rey [Monica Lopez] Oops [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] Hi, I'm not going to talk since I'm in a lab and don't want to disturb [Lisa Star] hi! [Ilene Frank USF] Hey all you Florida people! If you are already using Second Life, I'd LOVE to know what you are doing on there! Drew and Joe and I are doing a presentation for the Florida Assoc of Comm Colleges soon. [Necia Parker-Gibson Univ.AR] The audio is going in and out.... [Ilene Frank USF] And Drew and Joe are going to do something for the Florida Distance Learning Consortium. We'd love to have some Florida examples! [dirk remley KSU] hi all [Rey Junco] Ilene - I'm editing a book on college student technology use and we've got a chapter on second life... I can chat with you about it after the session [Geoff Cain] I can hear everyone loud and clear. [Ilene Frank USF] Rey, thanks! [Drew Smith] Rey, absolutely! [Bill Smith FKCC] I've set up a little FKCC studio in the Arisenet area of Eduisland I, mainly to introduce fellow faculty to SL education. [Bill Smith FKCC] 84 degrees, sunny [M C Morgan BSU] Mike Morgan, Bemidji State Uni. 67 and sunny here [Chris Brown York] Hi there ... I'm Chris Brown ... I teach at Ryerson and am ABD at York (in Toronto). [Chris Brown York] Glad to be here ... [Joe Floyd-USF] I'm Joe Floyd, Associate Librarian at USF. On 2L since November [MikeBozoniePSU] Mike B from Plattsburgh NY -- it is cold and rainy today [Rinn] Hello! Erinn from Concordia U in Montreal...no experience in 2nd life ...rainy here! [Pamela Taylor VCU] Hi, I'm Pamela G. Taylor, Chair, Department of Art Education, VCU (Virginia Commonwealth University). I am Brooke Hyacinth in SL! Rainy here! [Neal Cross SBU] Neal Cross Dir of Instructional Technology for Southwest Baptist University, in SL for just over a year [Doug] Doug Bb . . . cool and rainy in DC [Cindy Yates ACC] Hi Cindy Yates here from Austin, TX. I'm a multimedia developer at Austin Community College. I have a little experience in SL. It's beautiful here today - -sunny and nice! [Texas Womans University] Martin Moore, Vicky Mantor, Meaghan Foster, Brian Elmore, Texas Woman's University, Denton Texas [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Chris Collins, IT Staff at U of Cincinnati, facilitator for a SL learning community, been using SL since the 2003 beta. [JodyB LCC] This is Jody from Kansas. Raining [Geoff Cain] I am the instructional designer at Tacoma Community College. The weather here is slightly rainy (surprise). [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Also cold and rainy here! [Monica Lopez] Hello Everyone. I work in Montreal, Canada. Concordia University. [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] I'm at Va Commonwealth Univ, it's raining here. I'be been playing with SL for a while but I'm not proficient. [Chris Brown York] Rainy and overcast in Toronto. [JaniceH OWC] Janice Henderson - Niceville Florida at Okaloosa Walton College Director of Research and Learning Resources - the weather here is great! [Rinn] hey Monika! Erinn here [Carter Smith - MTSU] This is Carter in Mid-TN - cloudy with hopes of sunshine [Pamela Taylor VCU] Hey Kathryn! [Amanda] Hi! Amanda Townsend / Instructional Svc. Librarian, Johnson C. Smith University. Known in SL as Emaleth DeCuir. [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] Hi Pam: looks like you'll be working with my son! [Gerry Porter MUN] Cool and sunny in St. John's. I'm a multimedia developer at Memorial University. Very little 2ndL experience. [dirk remley KSU] Kent State University...interested in learning how to apply SL to writing pedagogy [Lisa Star] [Pamela Taylor VCU] Really! We should share an email or do an iChat! [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] k [Cosby Rogers] Cosby Rogers, Virginia Tech, Professor Emerita and adjunct online instructor [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] kmurphy@vcu.edu [Carter Smith - MTSU] what about the people calling to sell us swtuff? [Ilene Frank USF] Carter, who's selling you stuff? [Carter Smith - MTSU] Not sure - Experian tried to get me to update my business profile :-) [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] pam, art ed or graphic design? [Pamela Taylor VCU] art Educaiton [SteveGilbert TLTG] Hi y'all! Great day! [Ilene Frank USF] Hi, Steve! [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] hello [fred winter neh] Hi Steve. [Audrey Cutler Towson U] Hi all! [Carol Roberts FLVS] Hi, from New Mexico but teach in Florida [Ilene Frank USF] Hey, Carol! I'm hanging on to your message about the Florida Virtual School! [Necia Parker-Gibson Univ.AR] Arkansas [Jon Becker Hofstra U.] Hello all! [Carter Smith - MTSU] Carter Smith - Criminal Justice in Middle Tennessee [Pamela Taylor VCU] Hi, Cosby. How are things in Christiasnburg? [Suzanne Baker JMU] Hello everyone! [Stuart Gagnon] Hello. I'm Stu Gagnon from UofMd. [Tim Ball] Tim Ball, James Madison University. Hello [Beth Dailey Nicolet College] Hello all from Beth in Wisconsin, Nicolet College. [Carol Roberts FLVS] Socratesia Seuss on SL say hello when you're in SL [Joan Cook - CCM] Joan Cook - Director-Center for Teaching Excellence and Teaching/Learning Technology Center at County College of Morris in Randolph, NJ. [Lisa Star TLTG] Lisa Star, I live in South Dakota - but work TLT! [Calissa Neifert Mansfield Univ] Calissa Neifert from Mansfield University, PA [Tanu] Tanu Jain student in Instructional design, UMass Boston [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Not to spam, but wanted to mention the first up-coming in-world education conference in SL on May 25th! http://slbestpractices2007.wikispaces.com/ [Texas Womans University] Martin Moore Instructional Support Specialist, Vicky Mantor Instuctional Coordinator, Meghan Foster Instructional Coordinator, Brian Elmore Graphics Specialist, Texas Woman's University [Rey Junco] Hi Mansfield! I'm faculty at Lock Haven [Bill Smith FKCC] I'm Cudjoebill Thibaud in SL. Arisenet Teachers group. [Liz Evans] Pittsburgh [Dra - Mali] Univ. Bamako (Mali) [judith.szerdahelyi] Hi all, Judith Szerdahelyi Here. [Amanda] Charlotte, NC [Carol Roberts FLVS] Best practices in Education International 24 hour conference in SL May 25th [Caroline Landrum UMD] I would have had a microphone, but I didn't know that we would be needing it. [Lisa Star TLTG] Thanks for the link Chris - are involved with the conference? [Ilene Frank USF] Carol, yes! Let's remind people about the Best Practices conference May 25 in Second Life! [Necia Parker-Gibson Univ.AR] in the Second Life world? [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] I'm in a lab and shouldn't talk anyway! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Yes! Please see the website for info, plenty of contact addresses if you have questions or want to participate. [Carol Roberts FLVS] Working on Gaming and learning sims and experiential gaming for it [Lisa Star TLTG] That is great - I will contact you for more info! [Bonnie Hunter] [Rinn] [Patrick Houlihan OBU] [Ilene Frank USF] Oh Chris - that was you about the conference! Thanks! [Pamela Taylor VCU] [JaniceH OWC] [Mariana Regalado Bklyn Colg] [Amanda] [Kim Arnold PU] [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] [Audrey Cutler Towson U] [Stuart Gagnon] [Anthony Helm] I hear you fine! [Joan Cook - CCM] Sound is fine. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] [Geoff Cain] [Ida Brown-Fla Comm College] audio's ok [Monica Lopez] [Anthony Helm] :-) [David B - SFU] [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] :-) [Linda Parker U of Neb-Omaha] [Chérie Dodd IU Kokomo] AUDIO FINE [Bill Smith FKCC] still cooking [fred winter neh] [Jon Becker Hofstra U.] [David Arendale] [Calissa Neifert Mansfield Univ] [Beth Dailey Nicolet College] [Texas Womans University] O.o [JodyB LCC] [Caroline Landrum UMD] [Chandra Gigliotti-Guridi HSC] [Vickie Kline York PA] [Joe Floyd-USF] [Lynne S UVic] [Chris Brown York] [rex heer - iowa state] [Gerry Porter MUN] [Suzanne Baker JMU] [Necia Parker-Gibson Univ.AR] sound is going in and out, still. [Laura Baker ACU] [Carol Roberts FLVS] [Tina Neville USF St. Petersburg] [Doug] [Nicole Bryant] [Drew Smith] hi, Tina! [Tina Neville USF St. Petersburg] Hi [Rey Junco] Not too many carpoolers [Drew Smith] wow, who has more than 13? [ChristineRadakovichWWCC] [Audrey Cutler Towson U] 2 [Monica Lopez] We are 2 [Wendi Kappers UCF] Microphone not participating at the moment. will fix quickly! [Texas Womans University] 5 here at TWU [JodyB LCC] Tonyr LCC [Lisa Star TLTG] We are at 90 people - you can keep track in bar below the microphone controls. That does not count the groups! [Liz Evans] [MikeBozoniePSU] [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Wow! 90 people! Welcome! [Ruth Kastenmayer] Ruth Kastenmayer -Charlottesville, VA [Amanda] My text won't work. [Ilene Frank USF] Amanda, you have to make a little textbox first [dirk remley KSU] [Amanda] Thank you!!! [Barbara Liesenbein DutchessCC] Barbara Liesenbein from Dutchess Community College [Ilene Frank USF] Hi, Barbara! [Drew Smith] TLT Grafitti [Lisa Star] 1-866-866-2244 Users' Pin Code: 704-9928 # Press *6 to mute your phone [Yvonne Shafer MnSCU] [Lisa Star] Recording: http://www.tltgroup.org/OLI/oliarchives.htm [Lisa Star] online@tltgroup.org [ann pebohner] [Anthony Helm] [Bob Cole MIIS] sure [SteveGilbert TLTG] Just passed 100 log ins- for first time! [Audrey Cutler Towson U] [SteveGilbert TLTG] Great to "see" you all here today! [Susan Simon] [Lisa Star TLTG] You can text your question to the group or select my name from the list and submit a question directly to me. [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] it only saves what has come before, not as a "record" function, correct? [SteveGilbert TLTG] Hi, this is SteveG [Lisa Star] hear you [Rey Junco] Loud and Clear [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] yep! [fred winter neh] loud an dclaer [Bill Smith FKCC] clear [Amanda] [Don Carter NAU] sounds good [Anthony Helm] all's well [Rinn] [Ilene Frank USF] [JaniceH OWC] [Pamela Taylor VCU] [Chris BMC] [Patrick Houlihan OBU] [Don Carter NAU] the picture, or you? [Rey Junco] lol [dirk remley KSU] Question Does anyone use SL in writing pedagogy? I'm interested in it for business writing pedagogy/computer-supported collaborative writing [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] congrats! [Ilene Frank USF] Dirk, yes! There are examples of instructors using SL for writing classes! [Tom Smyth USCA] please enter URL in txt area... [Rey Junco] Congrats Joanna [Lisa Star] thanks! [Ilene Frank USF] This will get you to the archives.... [Ilene Frank USF] http://www.tltgroup.org/OLI/oliarchives.htm [Tom Smyth USCA] tks [Ilene Frank USF] Dirk have you run into Sarah Robbins work? She's Intellagirl on Second Life. She's doing composition classes. [dirk remley KSU] I haven't seen her stuff yet. Heard about her though in techrhet. Missed 4Cs :-( [Ilene Frank USF] Sarah's a blog up that I think includes some of her recent presentations. (I saw one in SL and I'm pretty sure she put the slides up...) [dirk remley KSU] Colleague of mine wants to do comp classes. I'm more interested in problem-based learning apps with cscw [dirk remley KSU] oh..ok. I've seen her blog site generally. [Ilene Frank USF] http://www.intellagirl.com - That's Sarah's blog... Ok - You've seen that! Good! [Tom Smyth USCA] "Sarah Robbins" [SteveGilbert TLTG] Good sound, Drew! [SteveGilbert TLTG] I see slide with 3 avatar images [Ilene Frank USF] Dirk, Anthony Curtis just sent in a great example of what he did with his journalism class using Second Life. It was on the SLED list. [Lisa Star] lookin' good! [dirk remley KSU] Is she good about responding to emails? I assumed she was pretty busy with her work [dirk remley KSU] my colleague is on the SLED list [Ilene Frank USF] Sarah just won the "award" for doing the most postings on the SLED list - Second Life Educators discussion. I'll bet she'll respond to email [dirk remley KSU] do you know if anyone has done anything with it in upper division writing? [Ilene Frank USF] It's from a few weeks ago. [SteveGilbert TLTG] is SLED open to anyone, everyone? How "join"? Free? [Rey Junco] I still can't believe how much $ US is spent on there [Lisa Star TLTG] Ilene - can you tell folks about the SLED list? What is it and where? [Ilene Frank USF] You can join for free. [Tom Smyth USCA] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators [Ilene Frank USF] SLED is the Second Life educators discussion list - very busy - and very lively! [dirk remley KSU] Yea; SLED is free. I'm on techrhet..SL gets lots of play there too [Ilene Frank USF] Thanks, Tom! [Chris BMC] It's been even higher lately. It's bee 38+ the last few days. [Ilene Frank USF] And joining Second Life is free! [Anthony Helm] What about "There"? [Bob Cole MIIS] and Kaneva [Ilene Frank USF] Has anyone tried There.com ? [SteveGilbert TLTG] Remember if something that seems interesting or important goes by too fast here in the text chat arey, you can save a complete copy of this transcript at any time - as many times as you like - go to "File" menu at upper left corner, pull down, click on "Save Text Chat to File" etc. - or try "Alt Z" [Lisa Star] or scroll back up! [SteveGilbert TLTG] When anyone saves a transcript, PRIVATE messages between any two people are NOT included... they are truly private. [Anthony Helm] Does TLT have a permanent SL presence? [Lisa Star] anthony - no we do not [SteveGilbert TLTG] 1. What does "permanent" mean in SL? [Anthony Helm] real estate. [Ilene Frank USF] No TLT presence... yet! We'll have to talk the Steves into that [Amanda] It would be cool to hold TLT meetings in SL [Anthony Helm] Thanks. [Rey Junco] We should get a SL group together... showcase what everyone is doing [Ilene Frank USF] Steve, that would mean you have a location that others can visit that's identified as a TLT-Group space. [SteveGilbert TLTG] We're exploring... will want to do so when we offer follow-up online workshps - because Ilene, especially, has encouraged us to do so. [Carol Roberts FLVS] NMC would allow a TLT meeting [Ilene Frank USF] Even the real world is not perfect [Lisa Star TLTG] We have talked about it - starting a TLT Roundtable in SL - we would love to recruit some volunteers to help. [Carol Roberts FLVS] or Educator Islands [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Rey, that's one of the goals of the Best Practices in Education conference - a showcase for everyone's hard work! [SteveGilbert TLTG] [Is Second Life MERELY international? I thought it was intergalactic! ] But seriously, I really like the idea of a SL TLT Roundtable! See our logo! [Lisa Star TLTG] Chris shared that URL - we will make a list of URLs and resources shared today. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] other drawbacks: Griefers; crashing is common; sometimes VERY laggy. [dirk remley KSU] Does anyone know where to find free of inexpensive island/land to build a classroom for class use? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] free classroom space for one semester [Kim Arnold PU] what are griefers [Ilene Frank USF] Patrick, yep, there are times when Second Life is just funky and not working very well. [Rey Junco] My client crashed every single time I ran it for over a week straight [Geoff Cain] The last update to the software is not compatible with my computer. [Chris BMC] NMC is leasing land very cheaply. [Ilene Frank USF] Griefers are people who cause problems for others - cause grief! [Amanda] Maybe TLT can work with the Librarians on InfoIsland or Cybrary Island? [dirk remley KSU] How big an area is recommended for classroom space? (thinking in terms of about 20-25 students) [Lisa Star] Griefers are people who cause problems with others in SL - sort of like hackers [SteveGilbert TLTG] We've long respected NMC and look forward to working with them more - especially since one of our favorite Internet gurus (Alan Levine) now works for NMC! [Dick Carlson] Any info on SL used with Vista? [Amanda] There is an outside arena/stage on that has alot of seating [Lisa Star] NMC=New Media Consortium [Amanda] on Info [Joe Floyd-USF] SL offers an educational discount too for educators. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I've never seen a request for free space turned down on the SLED list, ask and ye shall receive, it's a great group. [Ilene Frank USF] Last I heard with Vista is that the appropriate drivers were on their way... Any one heard anything new? [Kurt] what about VISTA? [James Abraham GCC] There are new drivers for Vista and ATI cards. [Ilene Frank USF] They are working out the bugs with Vista. [James Abraham GCC] Google it and you can find them. [Texas Womans University] Those minimum system requirements are very....minimum...very. [Chris BMC] How often do they change the last names? [Bob Cole MIIS] You cannot change your name it is tied to your avatar. [James Abraham GCC] I didn't have any problems with my nVidia card/Vista/SL. [Chris BMC] I meant the Lindens changing the names on the list. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] You can now own land on islands w/o a premium account. I do. [Carol Roberts FLVS] The names offered does change frequently [Bob Cole MIIS] You have to create a new account - it's also important to consider your first name and last name - think of self-branding... [Amanda] My avatars have different last names due to the length of time between creation [Bob Cole MIIS] Yes, last or tribal names do change [Amanda] Emaleth is my work avi [Chris BMC] The New Media Consortium leases land for a year: plots go for $100, $400, $800 per year. [Lisa Star TLTG] Here is the link for sys requirements - http://secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php [dirk remley KSU] how often do they update SL? I've been on for a month and a half, and it seems they constantly have updates. [Carol Roberts FLVS] Wednesday mornings are for updates [SteveGilbert TLTG] Second Life Education Discussion Group [Carter Smith - MTSU] a little scratchy on your audio [Joe Floyd-USF] Full updates whenever they have enough changes to warrant. They do upgrades/fixes almost every wednesday a.m. [Lisa Star TLTG] The New Media Consortium - http://www.nmc.org/ [Drew Smith] or any other Voice of the Chat input at this point? [SteveGilbert TLTG] Will put this link to page for info about and joining SLED https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/educators [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] That's correct, no Mac's for There.com [Linda Parker U of Neb-Omaha] Why do you need to own land? [Lisa Star TLTG] http://www.there.com/ [Bill Smith FKCC] U dont [Linda Parker U of Neb-Omaha] What is the advantage of owning land? [Angelyn Flowers UDC] How many students/avatars can generally be accommodated on the standard 512x512 plot? [Bill Smith FKCC] My studio was a free loaner, beginning last Nov [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] set up private spaces etc. [Joe Floyd-USF] only need land if you want to have a permanent presence in SL...a classroom/meeting room etc. [Carol Roberts FLVS] http://kotaku.com:80/gaming/clips/gdc07-clip-the-ps3s-home-242341.php link to preview of Sony's new world [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] You don't have to _own_ land, but you have to have use of land in order to leave content "out" for others in the world to see/use. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Time to switch to educational uses of and within Second Life? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] You'll be limited in what you can do and build w/o your own land. [Mariana Regalado Bklyn Colg] We use MYSpace [Monica Lopez] Actually we are not teachers. We do educational software design and instructional design. [Caroline Landrum UMD] University of Michigan is experimenting and has space on SL [SteveGilbert TLTG] Remember, the full archive will be available early next week - and that WILL include the check mark responses you just made! [Bill Smith FKCC] Myspace has privacy/spam issues not found in SL [Lisa Star] i got to test out some student's projects - flying toilets! [Ilene Frank USF] Cynthia Calongne who's Lyr Lobo on Second Life meets her students underwater [Bill Sams Ohio U] Your slide shows OHIO Universities campus but you reference OSU (The Ohio State) in your comments. They do NOT have a campus. [Bob Cole MIIS] They're using halodecks for role playing in English Village in SL [fred winter neh] My Second Life nightmare: a virtual classroom with virtual students sitting at virtual desks watching a virtual PowerPoint presentation. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Some of us who frequently travel by air appreciate flying toilets - not simulated. [Ilene Frank USF] Oops Bill, you are right! We'll have to correct that! [dirk remley KSU] I was thinking of doing that too. Another question; how can space be developed that limits access; want tomake sure only our students can get to certain classrooms [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] She and Jeff Hiles from Wright State just produced a great overview paper about education in SL: http://edumuve.com/blended/BlendedRealitiesCalongneHiles.pdf [Bill J] How closely do the rules of second life architecture match real world architecture? [George Self - Cochise] I'm guessing SL is not ADA compliant (though I may be wrong). How do other colleges get around requirements to make this type of environment accessible? [Joe Floyd-USF] Dirk, owners can lock their classroom and restrict it to only their students. [Monica Lopez] When devising simulations, do the laws in SL correspond to real-life laws (such as in Physics or Chemistry simulations)? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Monica, some laws do and some don't. It's an amazing combination. [Joe Floyd-USF] Monica, you can fly in 2L so ....no not exactly a 1 to 1 correspondence [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] George: Good question, at this point, it's a "pilot" since there is no compliance with ADA standards as far as I know. We can hope Linden Lab will address that moving forward. [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] how user-friendly are the tools for creating these types of spaces? [Chris BMC] They're reasonably user friendly. And they have lots of free scripting classes in SL. [Rey Junco] To add to Carl's question - how long does it take to create a space (for instance the British Lit classroom)? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Carl: I would say it depends on the skill level of the person when they come into it. Fairly web savvy person can create basic content with a few hours of practice. [Chris BMC] What are the copyright issues with showing films in SL? [Joe Floyd-USF] Carl, depends on your skill level. Very simple but limited really to your ability to visualize and use some simple shapes [Carol Roberts FLVS] Lots of classes and utube videos to help learn how to build and script [Amanda] The creater owns the image. [Susan Simon] and to add further... Are faculty asking instructional technologist to build the space for them? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Carl, I'd say they're not user-friendly, but not rocket science either. There are some wonderful free classes within SL to learn, esp. from Rockcliffe. [Bill Smith FKCC] Rey, it seems to depend on ur scripting skills - an area in which Im quite deficient! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Susan: Yes. Definitely. [Tanu] Are there any web resources to get the beginner information on second life? [Susan Simon] Thanks, Cincinnati. [Tanu] How easy to create avatar? [Amanda] THere are scripting classes for beginners i think.. [Joe Floyd-USF] Yes Tanu. there's are lots. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Tanu: yes, esp. the SL forum. [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] assuming some level of proficiency, can this be done on the fly at all? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] We have a wiki, with a page for beginners specifically: http://homepages.uc.edu/secondlife/index.php/Site/ResourcesForEducators [Bill Smith FKCC] Tanu, avatar creation is quite easy. [Tanu] Are all tolls user friendly [Ilene Frank USF] Drew, back to you! [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Carl, not really. [Lisa Star TLTG] Many students struggle to identify credible sources for information - does SL complicate this trend? [Carol Roberts FLVS] also lots to buy very inexpensively I bought a castle for $1L or 1/250th of a real dollar and lots of free scripts and teaching tools [Bill J] In the lower picture, the real-life meeting on the screen is hard to see. What is the users' view like? [Amanda] Lisa, There are librarians on the island that help with resources [Chris BMC] Carol, where did you get your castle? [Ilene Frank USF] Bill, you can zoom in on the screen. [Tanu] Is second life going to decrease the F2F interactions? [Amanda] Info Island that is.. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Bill: you can change your view a LOT, esp. with the camera controls. [Carol Roberts FLVS] there are cameral controls so you can change your view without changing your position [Mariana Regalado Bklyn Colg] Do you select chairs, walls etc.? or do you need to be an artist? [Angela Johnson] Can you explain the concept of halo learning? [Susan Simon] Are people offering workshops for specific courses who are using Second Life? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] There are millions of already created objects in the world for free or purchase, or you can build your own! [SteveGilbert TLTG] Chris Collins referred above to a study - avail in PDF format at URL that was listed - that is now included on the Web page for this session AND here is the "abstract" from that document: [Joe Floyd-USF] Mariana, you can buy them, build them [SteveGilbert TLTG] Abstract The educational use of Second Life’s online virtual world flourished in 2006. More than 100 universities and the New Media Consortium, with over 225 member universities, museums and research centers, have a presence in Second Life. This essay on education in a virtual world begins with a description of the context and concludes with a tour of the educational courses and educators who are teaching in this virtual world, including a list of the resources and organizations that make it possible. Exam [Ilene Frank USF] You can pick up a lot of things that have been built by others - and you can find a LOT of free things. [Carol Roberts FLVS] there are free textures, chairs for sale and walls are easy and inexpensive buildings [Ilene Frank USF] Having wings is nice! [Carol Roberts FLVS] lots of scripted seating [Amanda] There's a warehouse that has lots of free stuff from clothes to furniture [Tanu] any copyright issues by using others stuff for creating classrooms [Joe Floyd-USF] There are many many freebie sites on 2L where you can pick up anything you might need. [Joe Floyd-USF] from avatar looks to furniture [Bill Smith FKCC] use of others stuff is controlled by the settings they place on the objects [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Creators of objects specify what the next owner can do with the object, so generally, no issues. If you can acquire it, you can use it. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Tanu: most copyrightable things won't be free or copyable, so no, not usually. [Ilene Frank USF] Others are giving you the stuff, so there's no copyright concerns. [Tanu] Are these students with some conventional unuversities? [Bill J] The classes that meet in Second Life, are they mainly groups of distance learning students or are often a group of people in the same room looking at their computer screens? [Ilene Frank USF] This is from Steve Hornick at Univ of Central Florida. [Tom Smyth USCA] This site looks quite useful fro beginners: [Tom Smyth USCA] http://homepages.uc.edu/secondlife/index.php/Site/ResourcesForEducators [Mariana Regalado Bklyn Colg] Thanks! [Tom Smyth USCA] Are there other instructional web sites for beginners? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Bill: There is a mix of both DL students and traditional F2F courses using SL, and the F2F courses meet both in person and in Second Life! [Ilene Frank USF] We've got some info on our resources for this presentation [Bill Smith FKCC] Pathfinder Linden, who started education on SL, told me 3 weeks ago that there were about 200 colleges, universities, and academies in, or launching in SL [Tom Smyth USCA] Thnaks [SteveGilbert TLTG] BUT.... when "giving" something, are any "artists' rights" included? I.e., can the original creator retain any control over what subsequent "owners" do with the original? How well/poorly the original creator is credited? What if the subsequent learner/user makes changes that the originator dislikes and does NOT want to be associated with? [Tanu] Are there any monitoring groups? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] you can make things non-modifiable, non-copyable, and non-transferrable. [Bill Smith FKCC] SL legally recognizes real world copyrights on all materials. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Any object you create, barring some hack I don't know about, will always and perpetually list you as the creator, even if it is resold or given away or copied. [Ilene Frank USF] You can give away your things or "sell" them and you can make them non-modifiable if you want... The creator has a lot of control over the objects they make. [Bill Smith FKCC] This copyright protection is important for artists and writers, of course. [Tanu] what is role of instructional designers in second life [Lisa Star] drew hit F3 [Ilene Frank USF] Tanu, lots of teachers are out there on their own. They might not have a lot of support from their institution. [Lisa Star] we should all be on the whiteboard tab [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Creators have a high level of control over the permissions for selling and giving the object away, but just like in real life, once you sell your painting, you can't control how it is _used_. [Tanu] Ilene> so if I want to be a student for such a teacher i directly contact them [Ilene Frank USF] Tanu, that's probably what you'd have to do! [Patrick Houlihan OBU] In some ways, SL gives more control over your creations than in real life. You can specify that the object you create and sell cannot be transferred to another account, cannot be modified, etc. [Cindy Yates ACC] you can even take a ride in a couple of those rockets! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Hehe yes, I always tour the International Space Museum and NOAA in my presentations, both fantastic locations for demonstrating SL's potential. [Bill Smith FKCC] It resembles the open air display at Kennedy Space Center visitors center, nut is international. [Bill Smith FKCC] but [Anthony Helm] Is there a good guide to interesting places in SL? Most of the time I'm in SL, it feels like a ghost town. [Anthony Helm] ...unless there is some event to attend. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] See http://edumuve.com/tour/ for a list of great educational spaces to tour. [Anthony Helm] thanks. [Susan Simon] Is there a way to search for something specific in SL? [Cindy Yates ACC] yes, there is a search feature [Amanda] There is a search function Susan [Carol Roberts FLVS] You can search for events, places, people and more [Dra - Mali] I think this is a very helpful tool to help students conceptualize [Patrick Houlihan OBU] The search is pretty bad, but they know it and are working on it. [Bill Smith FKCC] Anthony, go with the time zones: visit the German sites about 4 or 5pm EDT, US eastcoast 4 or 5 hours later, etc [Amanda] YOu can choose to include mature sites or not. [Susan Simon] thanks, everyone! [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Amanda: good point. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Unfortunately, it's easy to "cheat" the search function by paying people to "camp" at the location and make the place appear more popular than it otherwise would be, but yes, the Search function is relatively useful. [Carol Roberts FLVS] ICT library has holographic areas, different chuch architecture very detailed [Ilene Frank USF] Anthony... for places to visit... try edumuve.com/tour/ [Amanda] Thanks Patrick! [Caroline Landrum UMD] I know that there is at least one church on SL - what would be the major purpose of such a "place"? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Caroline: one is weddings. Believe it or not!!! [Caroline Landrum UMD] wow! [Caroline Landrum UMD] are they credentialed for such things? [Amanda] There is an area on Info Island I believe that addresses several religions [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I assume the same as the purpose for a real life church, a place to come together with others, reflect, pray, socialize with people of the same belief, missionary work, etc. [Amanda] Kind of a meditation area [Pamela] I was in the ICT Library and there are file cabinets with pedagogy ideas [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Yes! Yay collaboration! [Caroline Landrum UMD] Do you know if they have the support of their denomination or whatever (larger org.) [Susan Simon] NMC will be offering a 3 hour workshop on SL at their June conference. [Carol Roberts FLVS] and lots of free teaching tools and scripts [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Caroline: I doubt there are any credentials. But partners become "official" for L$10 and can get a divorce for L$25. [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] Think of it in these terms: if there are people interested in it, someone will be exploring it... like the web in its toddling stages (still toddling???) [Joe Floyd-USF] Exactly Carl. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Caroline: I know that there are some religious organizations working in SL on behalf of established churches, but I'm no expert on that area of SL by any means. [Caroline Landrum UMD] thanks, all - I will explore more [Bill Smith FKCC] I think the Unitarians are there [SteveGilbert TLTG] Let's come back to the "support" issues - which are very new, complex, and interesting [Susan Simon] support for -STUDENTS-? [Wendi Kappers UCF] What was that institution? [Caroline Landrum UMD] yes, the UU's are the one I knew about [Susan Simon] oops. [Ilene Frank USF] Buddhists are there. [Bill J] Have there been any surveys of students who have taken SL classes? I'm curious as to what they see as the benefits when compared to, say, Blackboard's text chats or video conferencing. [Carol Roberts FLVS] no more TV, just SL for fun [SteveGilbert TLTG] Would it be useful for us to offer an online workshop focused VERY narrowly on HOW to get started in Second Life??? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Bill: I know of one such survey, see http://virtual-dio.com/nyp/it1925/postsemester.html [Bill Smith FKCC] yes [Joe Floyd-USF] NO more tv for me either! [Susan Simon] steve - absolutely. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Steve: YES [George Self - Cochise] I bought a couple of good SL books at Amazon. Believe it or not, there are great "low tech" tools available! [Linda Parker U of Neb-Omaha] yes, I would sign up for a workshop on how to get started. [Jackie Onyia TWF] An online workshop would be great. [Audrey Cutler Towson U] yes please, we'd love a "getting started" ws [PeterL UHM] absolutely... online workshop on how to get started! [ehowell] Oh my gosh it took me forever to get in! [Pamela] Yes, a workshop on getting started would be great. I got off of Orientation too soon (10 minutes after I came in) and didn't realize they wouldn't let me back. So I've been struggling. [Jackie Onyia TWF] I know it has taken me a while to get my sl started. [Caroline Landrum UMD] ok, so when will I be able to import my avatar from Yahoo to SL? [Steve Ehrmann - TLT Group] What would you like help in getting started at? exploring Second Life? Convening a course in Second Life? [Carol Roberts FLVS] nmc is creating an orientation for new teachers [fred winter neh] how about multiple workshops -- one on getting started, another on educational usages [Ilene Frank USF] Importing things is a problem. [Pamela] Covering a course! [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] I've gotten my students to teach me. There's usually at least one very teckie student who is already up there. [Joe Floyd-USF] You have an avatar in Yahoo? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] If there are any other educators in the Ohio Learning Network, I have led several intro sessions for beginners, we organize through the Instructional Design listserv - so sign up! [Liz Evans] A workshop so I can stop looking like a demented cat. [ehowell] Can someone get me up to speed - are we meeting in Sl now too? [Jackie Onyia TWF] Liz I agree. [Ilene Frank USF] Liz, you mean a "fix up your avatar" session? [enidwohlstein_kyvl] There many free tutorials on YouTube on SL, as well as movies people have made. Also, you can go to SimTeach.com for links to SLED, other listservs, etc. [Linda Parker U of Neb-Omaha] I need the basic intro. With followup workshops as my skills develop. [dirk remley KSU] I'll be doing stuff with OLN next AY [SteveGilbert TLTG] Great comments about studetns and resources from SL itself - we would like to include both in anything we offer in this very introductory direction. [Bill Smith FKCC] look for Orientation Island in SL [ehowell] < IM me, in SL - Exosius Woolley - I make avatars and am a #d artist, also I can help you build your educational objects [SteveGilbert TLTG] I mean, include some studetns as leader/presenter/moderators [Ilene Frank USF] There's more than one Orientation Island. [Liz Evans] Yes, I got out of Orientation too soon without realising. I'm the only demented cat on there... [Jackie Onyia TWF] Walking us through setting a short presentation (educational) would be great. [Audrey Cutler Towson U] My colleague Rachel just told me that they're adding voice technology this summer to SL! [Dick Carlson] Great blog post on Teaching In Second Life is here [Bill Smith FKCC] yes, but not all r open to visitors [Dick Carlson] http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/04/27/teaching-round-up/ [Pamela] Another orientation Island? What's it called? [Lisa Star TLTG] TLT will be continuing this discussion and we will be offering workshops. If you helping or participating we would encourage you to let us know! star@tltgroup.org [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] Those using it for education already, do you find students receptive to this, or do they view it as another time-consumer? [enidwohlstein_kyvl] If anyone needs a friendly "face", look for Sydalge Yan when in Second Life [enidwohlstein_kyvl] I'm at Ky Virtual Campus in real life [SteveGilbert TLTG] Ilene, you're describing what some of us do in first life! [Jackie Onyia TWF] Ilene that has been the hardest part for me. I have actually put it aside for a while until I can figure out what to do. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] We have our first class in SL this quarter, and from the professor's report - the students _love_ it, and adapated far more quickly than the prof. [Rey Junco] Ilene, it would be much easier to use if there wasn't so much lag and if the client wasn't so buggy [Tanu] Maybe those folks are used to playing video games. [Drew Smith] Chris, probably because they have already played video games! [Bill Smith FKCC] For those of u starting classes, Desideria Stockton is a virtual angel: she'll help u get started. [ehowell] I suggest the Ivory Tower in world - awesome interactive learning installation [Joe Floyd-USF] Yes I think if you played video games at all you have an advantage! [Joe Floyd-USF] I've decided I'm going to be a consumer...not a builder! You can find everything on 2L. [SteveGilbert TLTG] [SteveGilbert TLTG] Need to do our 1st closing now! [SteveGilbert TLTG] We'll resume free form exploration in a few mintues! [dirk remley KSU] Chris..how long did i take students to adapt? [Patrick Houlihan OBU] I met someone early one who helped me learn the ropes. Otherwise, I would have been lost. Also, I've taken several of the free classes listed in Events. [Lisa Star TLTG] We will open the mic if you would like to share information or comments after the closing if you would like to stay. [Joe Floyd-USF] People in world have been VERY helpful and willilng to share what they know. [Bill Smith FKCC] The little FKCC studio on Eduisland I, in the Arisenet teachers area, has a clickable "infoprim" with lots of land marks for self-tutorials. [Bill Smith FKCC] Its never locked. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I believe it took a couple of class sessions to orient,organize, get everyone up and started, but then it took off like a rocket. [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] Whoops, I was going to put a student blog on her reaction to SL but it's in French. What she said was that she was frustrated at first with all this teck stuff but once she got into SL, created her avatar and checked out the French election websites, fashion areas, music, cinema, etc. (French are heavy on SL), she thinks it's great for learning [enidwohlstein_kyvl] Thank you! [Cosby Rogers] Thank you. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Rebecca, you can be as "short" or "tall" as you wish in SL! [Tanu] for working with foreign languages, users need to have special fonts? [JodyB LCC] Is there a site in SL where educators can get together and chat like we are doing now? [Mariana Regalado Bklyn Colg] good question! [Lisa Star TLTG] Does anyone now how many people are in SL? [Bill Smith FKCC] Yes, but everyone in SL starts out looking like Ken or Barbie! lol [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] we don't but I"m sure the chinese, japanese, do... [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] NMC hosts a weekly "Teacher's Buzz" that works just like this in Second Life. [ehowell] Try the Educator's Coffee House [Ilene Frank USF] The New Media Consortium runs something called "Teachers Buzz" [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] http://sl.nmc.org/wiki/Teachers_Buzz_Session [Ilene Frank USF] SL is very international! [ehowell] run by Desideria Stockton, it is where she teaches literature and there are always good impromptu gatherings happening [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] It is all text chat based though, not audio. [Steve Ehrmann - TLT Group] The question deals with the question in the chatroom: what KINDS of online workshops or sessions (re simulated worlds like Second Life) should we offer next? [Ilene Frank USF] Audio is coming in June!! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I would like to see more targetted discussion about pedagogy in SL. [Joe Floyd-USF] Audio is coming to 2L in June [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] Steve, maybe make groups for using it in disciplinary areas, like math or foreign languages [Pamela] Pedgagy - yes! [Drew Smith] Kathryn, that's an interesting idea [dirk remley KSU] Chris [dirk remley KSU] What do you teach? [Tanu] or andragogy?? [Lisa Star] www.tltgroup.org/vatechresources.htm [ehowell] I am an instructional designer and this product ROCKS. I have made a grizzly bear avatar, the Cheshire Cat and an anatomically correct floating eyeball. I am having so much fun! [Bill Smith FKCC] If u visit Parioli in SL, u'll definitely practice your Italian! [Ilene Frank USF] Lots of constructivist stuff going on - encouraging students to do building - Less sitting still and more doing! [Kathryn Murphy-Judy VCU] Thanks, TLT! gotta go to another workshop. bye Joanna! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I'm IT Staff, I teach faculty of all disciplines how to use technology effectively for teaching. [Drew Smith] waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh [Lisa Star] *blushing* [dirk remley KSU] I'm looking for focused discussion about writing applications--business writing pedagogy [SteveGilbert TLTG] [Ilene Frank USF] Joanna, thanks for helping with all our presentations! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Awwww. Best of luck to you Joanna! [SteveGilbert TLTG] [Cindy Yates ACC] best wishes! [Carter Smith - MTSU] [Lisa Star] Thanks, everyone! [ehowell] < i mean, the eyeball has all the correct parts, you can study the retina etc. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Fill at least one of her shoes! [ehowell] even optic nerves hanging off the back. [Kadriye Lewis] Thanks [duffy] how do we save the text chat [Lisa Star] FILE>Save Text chat to file [Lisa Star TLTG] Alt Z [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I'm sorry, I missed where to click to take the survey! [Amanda] Look just below the middle of the screen [Joe Floyd-USF] ONLINE SURVEY-END OF SESSION APRIL 27, 2007 [Amanda] It says Online Survey-End of Session [Amanda] Click on that [Lisa Star] http://ctlsilhouette.ctlt.wsu.edu/CTLSilhouette2_5/mode/respondent/takeHTMLsurvey.asp?s=ZS64494 [Tom Smyth USCA] thanks joanna... [Anthony Helm] anyone in SL right now multitasking? [SteveGilbert TLTG] We mean "end of 'official' part of our session - even thought we're continuing for another 30 minutes! [Joe Floyd-USF] Anthony absolutely. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] grins [Rey Junco] Anthony - I'm downloading the update so I can go explore some of these sites [rex heer - iowa state] yeah [Carol Roberts FLVS] I tried to be in two elluminates but that didn't work [ehowell] < yes, I just logged in [Lisa Star] be careful if you are in SL AND in iVocalize - this conf. room [Lisa Star] you may be using max bandwidth if we load some pages [Lisa Star] if you get booted - you can log back in using the original URL [Lisa Star TLTG] Archive link - http://www.tltgroup.org/OLI/oliarchives.htm [Carol Roberts FLVS] for high school we have a private island. Teachers and staff are confined to our island [ehowell] This is true, I have engaged on conversation with people from all over - [SteveGilbert TLTG] Compassionate Pioneers! - Like Drew & Ilene! - You can be a compassionate pioneer every once in a while! [Amanda] There will be a page of all the links mentioned in the chat...right? [ehowell] I even worked on a project with an Australian woman, in world! [Drew Smith] yw [Amanda] Or am I confused? [Ilene Frank USF] Amanda, we've got some resources up - and I'll make sure that the other links get added in. I know that the TLT-Group will help us get'em up there. [Amanda] YAY!! [Lisa Star TLTG] Correct - I kept track as the type was flying! [Amanda] Thanks Ilene!! [Amanda] and Lisa! [Drew Smith] we try to stay way ahead in the parade of technology, without losing sight that we are still in the parade [duffy] Ωso I save the text file but I cannot find the file -- what is the file called. [Ilene Frank USF] Let's mention that May 25, there's going to be a 24 hour session on Second Life on Best Practices in Education in Second Life. [Lisa Star TLTG] TextChat_200704271407 [Ilene Frank USF] Keep an eye on http://slbestpractices2007.wikispaces.com/ [Bill Smith FKCC] Ilene - 24 hours!? Is there yet a link to that? [Ilene Frank USF] That wiki is where the planning's going on [Bill Smith FKCC] Tx! [Tanu] Will the informal session be recorded? [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Yes, our goal is to showcase education, and especially, the INTERNATIONAL component of the educators community in SL. We hope to see you there. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] She! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] [Drew Smith] thanks, Chris! [Drew Smith] herself [Rebecca Kurtz] we will stop recording at 3:30, so yes this informal part will be archived [Carol Roberts FLVS] 24 hours is for the difference in time zones world wide [Drew Smith] yes [Joe Floyd-USF] yes [Patrick Houlihan OBU] yes [ehowell] yup [Chérie Dodd IU Kokomo] yes [Lisa Star TLTG] sounds good [Anthony Helm] yes, a little soft tho [SteveGilbert TLTG] Chris, let us know how we can help - publicziing, helping, etc. [Bill Smith FKCC] A new-to-SL Management Tech prof at the University of Milan (Italy) walked into the little FKCC studio for orientation resources. A month later, her University had authorized rl classes there! [M C Morgan BSU] Can we move on to a discussion of the dangers, please. [Carol Roberts FLVS] I know the gaming and learning group can use help. We'll have games going the entire 24 hours [Lisa Star TLTG] Bill is FKCC - Florida Keys? [Bill Smith FKCC] yes [SteveGilbert TLTG] Aha! If you're really an administrator and want to mix in without that aura, you can do within SL! [ehowell] Unlike the web, you walk by someone and can talk to them - on a web page, you can't instantly chat with other people who happen to be viewing the same content [Ilene Frank USF] The dangers... What concerns are out there? [Bill Smith FKCC] Danger/Concern: limited access to ur SL classes, as is appropriate or needed. [M C Morgan BSU] the erotic stuff [ehowell] Well, I do not think anyone can send a file to your computer. Everything is online on servers. [Ilene Frank USF] You can find the erotic stuff - or you can avoid it [Drew Smith] sure! [ehowell] But for the rest, the adult grid is the adult grid. Just set your land to PG [Bill Smith FKCC] Erotic stuff should not be particularly relevant to the Edu areas [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Ilene: I have students who can manage to get "lost" with the simplest online assignment with simple links. In SL, it's going to be really easy for those students to accidentally wander into something really bad. [Drew Smith] kinda just like the Web in general [ehowell] you can delete people off your access list or have a memebers-only list [ehowell] for particle attacks, you can set your own computer's prefs to low particle count so you will not see them [Lisa Star TLTG] Can you control what younger students view? K12 for instance. [Drew Smith] good point, Chris [M C Morgan BSU] Students will find the erotic stuff. [Bill Smith FKCC] All SL users have to be prepared to prove to Linden Labs that they are over 18. [Ilene Frank USF] 13-17 year olds use the Teen Grid. Adults have to have a background check before they are allowed to work with the teens. [ehowell] Yes the Teen Grid is off limits for all adults and as an educator you can be there [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] for that matter, real life can be like that! [Bill Smith FKCC] Can u keep ur real life students (18 or not) from sexual sites? [M C Morgan BSU] Hmmm. Seems to mean we're downplaying these matters. [JodyB LCC] The over 18 is the part some have problems with. Should we introduce our students some 17 and 18 years old to something that has age restrictions? [Bill Smith FKCC] I doubt it - SL reflects that real life truth. [Don Carter NAU] a question alng those lines, is Linden Labs involved in the online pronographic industry? [Tanu] Great point Chris [Ida Brown-Fla Comm College] i don't have a mic, just listening in. [Lisa Star TLTG] There is certainly a need for educators in K12 to understand the implications of 2L - because this age group will be involved. [Bill Smith FKCC] Don - Linden Labs is far too busy desperately trying to deal with the geometric growth of SL lol [Ilene Frank USF] Don, I guess it would be like... does AOL support porn because some use chat rooms for making sexually overtures. [SteveGilbert TLTG] It will be REALLY interesting to see/hear what happens when voice becomes more easily available within SL [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I would say LL is very hands off about content in SL. [Don Carter NAU] Bill, I guess my question is from some things I had heard that some of the principals and their technology is used by the industry...not in SL, but as a platform [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Oops jinx with Ilene. [M C Morgan BSU] While I can see that poseballs and escorts might be easy to avoid, yes, but the will be in the educational environment we're asking students to work in and explore. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Ilene, did you really just say something about LindenLabs taking a "hands off" approach to dealing with porn???? [Bill Smith FKCC] Steve [Bill Smith FKCC] lol [M C Morgan BSU] Escorts don't hang around on my RL campus. [Ilene Frank USF] Yes! I did say that! If people want to simulate sexual activities that's what they do. Linden Lab's not running around trying to get residents to abstain [Ilene Frank USF] M.C., you can restrict your SL campus if you'd like. [Bill Smith FKCC] I've had a number of real life dancers in my entrepreneurship courses at FKCC. They want to start their own business, and are smart enuf to know they cannot dance forever. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] You can control who can access your space in SL, either by individual or group, or ban users selectively as well. [Lisa Star] do people have different avatars for work and play? [Bill Smith FKCC] They dress no differently than other students in the classroom. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I do. [Ilene Frank USF] Yes, Joanna! Some have professional avatars and playtime avatars! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] My "weekend avatar" lets folks know I'm on personal time and not at work. [M C Morgan BSU] Yes: I know we can restrict our campus, but we can't necessarily keep students from wondering into other areas - [Ilene Frank USF] Joe's avatar keeps getting better and better looking! [Bill Smith FKCC] The CEO has two - the one in the 3 piece suit is for IBM business. The unbuttoned one socializes. [Chris BMC] I have different avatars. It's fascinating to see the different reactions I get. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] No more than you can stop students from visiting other websites than your course webpage. [M C Morgan BSU] I was wondering if others have encountered these issues yet. [Joe Floyd-USF] MC Morgan how do you know that? [Ilene Frank USF] Yes, M.C., there's a lot of concern about what students might be exposed to! [Drew Smith] can't quite hear you [Patrick Houlihan OBU] M C: I do believe it's easier for a student to accidentally go into a sleazy area in SL than elsewhere online. [Lisa Star] very soft [Drew Smith] need to be louder [Ilene Frank USF] Oops can't hear anything. [M C Morgan BSU] Again: Looking at a web page might be considered differen than joining up with an escort or landing on a nude beach. [Bill Smith FKCC] I heard him, but VERY faintly [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] MC: You can search the SLED archives, because this is a very common concern of incoming educators, but I can't recall a single thread where it has been a consistent problem. [Bonnie Hunter] I could hear him when I boosted my sound [Drew Smith] very faint [Lisa Star] still soft [Ilene Frank USF] Barely. [ehowell] can you hear me? [Chérie Dodd IU Kokomo] yes but too soft [Chris BMC] turn you rvolume up. [fred winter neh] way too soft [SteveGilbert TLTG] Geoff, you're on! [Drew Smith] Geoff, we can't hear you [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Much better! [Bill Smith FKCC] clear [Drew Smith] ok [SteveGilbert TLTG] Great, hearing Geoff easily [SteveGilbert TLTG] Aha@! Someone admitting to multi-tasking! An honest person! [ehowell] phooey. Well, I got on here a few months ago, and I gelt like my whole career was leading toward this. The digital divide will always be shrinking. We are prepared for two-three years from now, it will be more common. [Steve Ehrmann - TLT Group] If anyone online now is a subscriber and wants to take a look at the first draft of our materials for assessing (and planning) educational programs and experiments on Second Life, click here http://www.tltgroup.org/FL-subscribers/FL_Handbook/Second_Life.htm and use your TLT Group username and password. This is very preliminary stuff and I'm hoping one or more subscribers will try it out, with or without our help, so we can improve the materials and the (fledgling) survey item bank. [ehowell] I fell right into the 3D interface, having used 3DS Max for years. [Steve Ehrmann - TLT Group] If you're not sure if your institution is a subscriber e-mail me at ehrmann@tltgroup.org or send a private message. [Bill Smith FKCC] Tx, Steve [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] That's a very real concern, I work in the IT department at a large university and we didn't have a single lab that was equipped for SL, but Vista requires some serious horsepower, so I expect over the next few years there will be converging trendlines in hardware upgrades for other reasons that will also enable people to use SL. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Watch what is happening VERY fast with handheld devices ("smart" cell phones and way, way beyond!) [SteveGilbert TLTG] We're about to experience aspects of the Digital Divide in some very peculiar new ways as handheld digital devices with Internet connectivity become more pervasive worldwide. [Geoff Cain] I am for using SL in education and moving forward. My problem is that I have a whole library and some computer labs that can't run SL. [SteveGilbert TLTG] Thanks for letting us hear your voice - and your thoughtful question/comments, Geoff! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Some folks have had success seeking grant funding to upgrade labs. [Drew Smith] yes [Drew Smith] clear [ehowell] yup [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Yep! [Chris BMC] yes [Lisa Star] [Ilene Frank USF] YEP [Geoff Cain] I personally use SL and am involved in a grant for developing learning modules in SL. [Anthony Helm] Thanks for the session, everyone. Gotta go. [Ilene Frank USF] Bye Anthony! [Joe Floyd-USF] thanks everyone. Gotta go too. [Ilene Frank USF] Fred, I'm sure you'd get some takers! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] I just submitted a grant app for that NEH Digital Initiative. keeping my fingers crossed. [JaniceH OWC] http://www.neh.gov/grants/digitalhumanities.html [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] I like the idea for NEH, but have the same digital division concerns as geoff. [fred winter neh] fwinter@neh.gov [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] We weren't sure if SL would be on the list of approved uses, but we sure hope so. [ehowell] ehowell@valenciacc.edu Avatar: Exosius Woolley [Drew Smith] little did Steve know... [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] lol [Ilene Frank USF] Exosius, I'd like to track you down in SL! [ehowell] I'm the one that looks like a big grizzly bear [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] Could those who wish post their SL names? [Ilene Frank USF] Ilene Frank, ifrank@lib.usf.edu Ilene Pratt in SL [Lisa Star TLTG] That would be great [Drew Smith] <---- Drew Rodinia in SL [PeterL UHM] mahalo & aloha [Steve Ehrmann - TLT Group] We have 49 responses [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] Searching Dailey is my SL name [David B - SFU] Thank you all. [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Chris Collins SL Fleep Tuque, chris.collins@uc.edu [Bill Smith FKCC] LOL, e - I wear a Greek toga,in homage to Socrates. [Lisa Star TLTG] this is posted on the TLT site! [Chris Collins U of Cincinnati] Excellent session! [Lisa Star TLTG] Thank you to everyone! [Drew Smith] Thanks for your participation, Chris! [ehowell] Should there be a TLT group in SL? [Monica Lopez] Thanks. Interesting session! [Chérie Dodd IU Kokomo] This was a great session .. more on this subject please [ehowell] It's free [Rebecca Kurtz] thanks everyone! [Bill Smith FKCC] Tx, everyone - I'll log off after saving the text copy, then do the survey. [Patrick Houlihan OBU] Thank you!!!!!!!!! [Amanda] Exosius! Were you just on Info Island? [ehowell] yes [JodyB LCC] Thanks...This was very informative. [Linda Parker U of Neb-Omaha] This was an excellent session. Looking forward to more. [Geoff Cain] This was really great -- I really appreciated everyone's contributions. [ehowell] I am there now [Pamela Taylor VCU] I would like to hear some philosophical implications.... [judith.szerdahelyi] Thank you! Great session! [Amanda] LOL!! I saw you!! You woodland creature you! [Bill Smith FKCC] Agreed - MOST excellent session!!! [Beth WKU] Thank you! [Amanda] Thanks for the great session!! [Ilene Frank USF] Glad we had some knowledgable SLers with us! Thanks! [Lisa Star TLTG] THANK YOU JOANNA!! [Suzanne Baker JMU] Thanks all! [ehowell] hehehe see you in the Metaverse [Drew Smith] Joanna went out with a bang! [rex heer - iowa state] thanks [Ben Ward KSU] Thank you! [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] Yes, thank you as always! [Carl DiNardo Mercyhurst] What is the shoe size, or requirements? [Drew Smith] Thanks, Steve [Ilene Frank USF] Thanks, Steve! [Drew Smith] Lisa, thanks again for creating those interactive slides for us.